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Title: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating info Post by rally_master on 05/09/4 at 18:31:43 i have a question. were will i be able to find map or how to get to the stages for the 2004 silverstone black bear rally i ve tryed the the rally main page but i cant seem to find it. if anyone would be able to that will be greatly apprechated thanx |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by John_Vanos on 05/09/4 at 19:17:48 WEll, there is only one stage and it is run 4 times. The road is called sherbourne lake forest access road I believe and is approximately 10-12kms south of minden just off of Hwy. 35. You must park on the side of hwy 35 and walk in. Please pay attention to all that the marshals say as the event will not run if there are spectators in restricted areas. Hope you make it and have fun! John Oh, by the way bring LOTS and LOTS of bug spray!!! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by PAddy on 05/09/4 at 22:55:36 Best way to spectate that, or any rally is to volunteer to help out! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by RyanHuber on 05/10/4 at 07:16:30 Quick note, 10-12kms south of Dorset, not Minden. |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by John_Vanos on 05/10/4 at 14:06:51 oops! lol, that would have got him real confused!! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by rally_master on 05/11/4 at 15:38:22 i have found the maps for the 2003 event. no i was wondering will those do any good |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by John_Vanos on 05/11/4 at 20:09:39 Yes, they will as the road we use is the exact same this year as it was last year. John |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Craig_Hamm on 05/26/4 at 19:03:51 4 times? Is it 4 stages, or eight stages? How long is the road? I'd even prefer, as a spectator (though I'll be working), a shorter stage if it meant more passes to keep it under 50km total. |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Alex Korovkine on 05/27/4 at 08:00:10 It is 4 stages. I don't remember the length of the stage(s), but overall length of the race is about 90 km. |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by John_Vanos on 05/27/4 at 18:18:11 The stage is just under 12km I beleive. I will be going up next week to do the route check and can tell you all more later. The supps are now ready I beleive and there WILL be a group 5 award for any who qualify! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by DaveC on 05/30/4 at 20:49:18 I will see everyone there. Volunteered to do crowd control! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by RyanHuber on 05/31/4 at 07:04:01 Awesome Dave, we'll put you to good use! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by DaveC on 05/31/4 at 08:20:51 Looking forward to it. ;D Thought I would try something other than Tall Pines (I am still going there too!). Plus this is so close to my house, probably not much more than 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hours. Closest rally by a good measure. |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by nhibbert on 06/21/4 at 18:02:37 Rant: How come I have to look at the Supplimentary Regulations to find out when the rally starts and where the HQ is? No where on the Spectator page or the Home page does it mention any locations or times. Are they trying to discourage spectators? Real Questions: How does the spectator area work? Do you have to park at the beginning of the road and walk in? or If you can drive in, will you be stuck there all afternoon until the road is re-opened? |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by AlanO on 06/22/4 at 06:22:03 nhibbert wrote on 06/21/4 at 18:02:37:
Sorry about that. We are not trying to discourage spectators, this was an oversight that I will rectify ASAP. This information and the answers to your questions should be posted on the website today or tomorrow, at the latest. Edit: more info now available on the website. http://www.mlrc.ca/blackbear/spectators.html |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by MacArthur on 06/23/4 at 13:22:23 Does anyone know how many cars are entered in the rally? the web site says 10, but it hasent been updated for a while. thanks in advance |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Zweistein on 06/23/4 at 13:33:08 I think it was 12 confirmed last night at MLRC meeting? |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Alex Korovkine on 06/23/4 at 15:57:33 So far I remember it was 14 cars confirmed. May be I' am wrong. |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Craig_Hamm on 06/27/4 at 17:17:52 nhibbert wrote on 06/21/4 at 18:02:37:
First, because that's the logical place to find that information. Second, I would argue that reading the supp regs may teach you more about rallying AND provide you with useful information that you won't find on the usual event web pages. As a spectator or a marshal, I scan them quickly as a matter of routine. Of course, clicking on the supp regs link is pretty difficult. :-/ Don't forget that these events are run by volunteers. Be patient if the information isn't served on a platter when you want it. |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by nhibbert on 06/27/4 at 18:07:42 Craig Don't think I don't appreciate the effort put in by all those involved. The clarity and detail of the results page, and the speed at which it was put up, is testament to the dedication of the people in charge of the web site. I was able to find all the information I needed eventually, but I was also telling non-rally people about the rally and suggesting they come out. I would have liked to tell them to check the web site for spectator info, but the spectator page seemed to be lacking basic spectator information, like where to go and at what time. Having a user friendly (idiot proof) web page is important if you want to attract non-rally people to the event. AlanO did a superb job of supplying the relevant information in a clear and concise manner once the oversight was corrected. Thank-you for that. Norman |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Zweistein on 06/27/4 at 18:31:46 I have all the appreciation in the world for the volunteers, members, and workers around here; and the MLRC website & these boards are absolutelly amazing - I found lots of good info around here:). But I think it's slightly defensive to jump against any polite suggestions -- honestly, for a random spectator, "supplementary regulations" (in the competitors area) are NOT a 'logical place' to look for a location. If it is for you... you're too far gone, man! ;D A well-maintained website like MLRC's is priceless, and every good webmaster appreciates errata. Kudos to Alan for quickly adding the info:) |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by AlanO on 06/27/4 at 18:50:59 Thanks for the kind words. The club's website (including the Black Bear webpage) is my responsibility and I apologise that more detailed spectator information was not available. I was out of the country for most of May and June and spectator info was one of the things on the to-do list before I left. Unfortunately I forgot to post it and compounded this error by forgetting to tell Alex (who did a great job in my absence - thanks!) that it needed to be added. I hope everyone enjoyed the rally. Thanks for supporting the event! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Craig_Hamm on 06/27/4 at 22:51:23 Ahhh, nothing like lighting up the board. :) No seriously, though, I agree that the pages need to be updated, but if you're into rally enough, or curious enough, to drive 2-4 hours to get there, it never hurts to do some exploring on the website. Those links won't bite, and you learn a lot about the event and the sport by visiting competitor oriented areas. (To be honest, I find that at least half of what I get emails for on the MCO site are for things that are posted there for months. People simply refuse to seek the info! That is my direct experience.) Far gone? Oh yeah. You're right there. Watch what you say about me though, I'll activate your local MCO cell. :P |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Jeannie on 06/28/4 at 11:41:47 C. Hamm wrote on 06/27/4 at 22:51:23:
Yup, we all know how "far gone" Craig is! ;D But he has a reasonable amount of company there. As for the "local MCO cell", I think we have one member in the TO area . . . don't make us call on him for help. ;) Hope all those new to the sport enjoyed spectating at Black Bear. For sure, for us workers, it was a blast!! ;D Jeannie |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Zweistein on 06/28/4 at 12:42:59 hmm, looks like I better join a local club soon, lest the MCO guys track me down defensless (for commenting on a comment on a comment)! :o (... and here I thought at least Jeanie would be on my side... I guess I shouldn't have sat in her chair on Saturday! :D ) Anyhoo, to get somewhat back on topic - we had two allowed spectating areas on Saturday. Are rules & regulations different in other provinces/countries? Watching the rally on TV last night, I get the feeling in Europe they can stay anywhere it's reasonably safe...? |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by DaveC on 06/28/4 at 14:50:16 Nikola wrote on 06/28/4 at 12:42:59:
I think that you will find in Europe that the rules related to liability are quite different. Therefore NA rallies are having to be quite careful about where they let people go. I believe that the two deaths at the Ski Sawmill Club Rally in the US last year, has had a big effect on spectating and the expectations of organizers with regards to crowd control. It is a pain, because those of us who do crowd control are constantly dealing with people that say, "I was allowed to go there last year!". However, if we don't do it we either won't have spectating or we won't have rallies :-[ Dave C I work rallies for food! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Craig_Hamm on 06/28/4 at 16:15:25 Nikola wrote on 06/28/4 at 12:42:59:
I was at WRC Cyprus in May. I was fairly shocked at the LACK of spectator control. Most people were pretty smart about things, but there were no marshals in spectator areas. Weird, man. Jeannie, actually MCO has quite a few members in the TO area, but they are mostly road racers (not the same as street racers, to any insurance dweebs out there). Don't make me push the button!!!!! |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Jeannie on 06/28/4 at 17:06:07 C. Hamm wrote on 06/28/4 at 16:15:25:
Ah, I have indeed succumbed to the dark side. I was thinking only of the rally guys . . . er, rally guy. Jeannie |
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Title: 2004 Silverstone Black Bear Rally a success! Post by Jeannie on 07/02/4 at 10:12:12 Maple Leaf Rally guys and others, I thought you might like to read the comments of the Jamaican team that won Black Bear. Please see the MCO Rally forum at: http://www.mco.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3013 Well done, everyone! Jeannie :) |
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Title: 2004 Silverstone Black Bear Rally kudos Post by Jeannie on 07/02/4 at 10:16:14 For those not inclined to check the link, here is what the driver of the Jamaican team said on the MCO Rally forum: Thanks everyone for your kind words.....I must say that the reception was very warm from the Canadians to cancel out the cool weather conditions. Even though it was not a big event, the organization was one of the best we have experienced. Congrats to the organizers and marshalls on a wonderful event. Special thanks to Stewart Hoo and the Can-Jam Motorsport crew for getting the car prepared on time and the excellent service on the rally. Richard Rerrie |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by RyanHuber on 07/02/4 at 13:39:42 Here I am, lurking in the bushes, ready to run complex navex rallies around someone's house, just in case I get the call :D Ryan "MCO Hitman" Huber ;D |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Zweistein on 07/03/4 at 09:43:12 ... ahhh, so you are the 'sleeper'! You shouldn't have revealed your identity quite so recklessly... ;D Jamaica wise - if that was "Cold Weather", I'd love to see the Jamaicans in the Ontario Winter Rally :-> Good stuff:) |
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Title: 2004 Silverstone Black Bear Rally Post by Jeannie on 07/04/4 at 19:24:04 Nikola wrote on 07/03/4 at 09:43:12:
Ah, but now you're going to have to choose a club to join for "protection!" ;) Nikola wrote on 07/03/4 at 09:43:12:
If the Jamaicans enjoy snow and ice as much as they do gravel, for sure they'd have a blast! Jeannie |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Zweistein on 07/04/4 at 19:52:16 >>Ah, but now you're going to have to choose a club to join for "protection!" If Torontians (Torontarans? Torontors? Hmm...) are joining MCO, perhaps I should join the Jamaican rally club? :D >>If the Jamaicans enjoy snow and ice as much as they do gravel, for sure they'd have a blast! They'd probably win it too! :) |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by RyanHuber on 07/05/4 at 07:05:40 Well, in all honesty I joined MCO while living and going to school in Ottawa, when I started to get serious about this whole rally thing (only a few years ago, but it is in my blood after all). Now it seems like I'm more involved with MLRC stuff, but that's more a distance thing than anything. I made some good friends in MCO, and I intend to maintain a presence there no matter what. I may even end up with "dual memberships" at some point, since I'm so involved with MLRC events. Actually, thinking about it, I'm kinda involved in as much as I possibly can be (I haven't missed a performance rally as a worker in almost 3 years, and compete or work at as many ORRC events as I can). Odds are, if there's a rally in Ontario, I'll be there. Heck, my cat's name is Hella (I know, I'm a freak!) ;D |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Zweistein on 07/06/4 at 17:24:56 freak. ;D Is there actually a provision against dual-membership in any of the clubs, or on more global/regional/national level? |
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Title: Re: 2004 siverstone black bear rally spectating in Post by Jeannie on 07/11/4 at 12:25:14 Nikola wrote on 07/06/4 at 17:24:56:
Not that I know of, although maybe someone who knows chapter and verse could answer this. I know of one U.S. team who are also members of an Ontario club. Most people will choose a club nearby but I don't see why you can't join more than one, as Ryan has (because he has links to Ottawa and TO). Jean |
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