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https://www.mlrc.ca/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl General >> Rally >> HANS devices and Canadian Rally https://www.mlrc.ca/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1201108325 Message started by brynepp on 01/23/8 at 12:12:05 |
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Title: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by brynepp on 01/23/8 at 12:12:05 It looks like the sport model has been approved. Please verify your HANS device with the following document: http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/9CC452C9104C1009C12573D80060A7E8/$FILE/L29_approved_Hans_system.pdf?Openelement and verify you instalation with the following document: http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/D05EDB3E8EF2FB81C12573150041C255/$FILE/Guide_HANS_2007.pdf?Openelement As a reminder the HANS rule does not become effective until January 1, 2009 |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/23/8 at 15:36:16 Yes, the new sport model has been FIA approved, and HANS is delaying shipping them because they don't want to have to ship them back and forth to get the certification stickers on them. I've had mine on order for a couple weeks now, and will certainly have it before Neige. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by J.Strack on 01/23/8 at 16:06:14 Hello Ryan, Did you purchase a helmet with Hans Anchor/posts Or did you get a 'Hans' Anchor kit for your existing helmet? Jon |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/23/8 at 16:46:25 Hi Jon, I got a Peltor G78 with the posts and intercom, from CSC Racing. Because this helmet comes with posts, they actually knock $90 off the price of the HANS because they normally come with posts. I decided to get a new helmet as well because my old one is getting kinda beat up, and the Peltor add-on intercom isn't very comfortable to begin with. I'm quite happy with the helmet, and will be happier when the HANS gets here! |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by J.Strack on 01/23/8 at 20:29:25 I just bought a G-force helmet, which was stupid b/c i should have figured CRC would make the change to the hans device. Hans Sells add on Anchors so you can upgrade your helmet to use the Hans device, but the Helmet manual says if you alter the helmet in any way you void the safety classification. Do you know if CRC will allow this modification? Jon |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/23/8 at 20:32:43 When you buy the HANS it comes with posts (unless you don't need them). Usually the place where you buy the HANS from will modify your helmet for you (I know CSC does), but I don't know what that does to the certification on the helmet. I think it's alright though, I'm sure there are helmets running around out there now with added on HANS posts. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by J.Strack on 01/23/8 at 20:35:40 Well that is good! I dont plan on getting the hans until just before my first planned rally, but it's good to know i didn't waste my $$. Thanks for the info. laterdays Jon |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by jgardhouse on 01/24/8 at 00:54:44 The jist of the drilling your helmet being legal boils down to the SNELL SA standards only require X part of your head to be protected. I believe it boils down to you can modify x inches from the bottom of your helmet without effecting the rating of the helmet. Now, if cars wanted FIA approved manufacturer installed HANS posts, life would suck. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by Alex Korovkine on 01/24/8 at 14:47:49 Folks, Since you already start buying HANS you probably know more than me. Here are my questions regarding HANS and CARS regulations. Do you have any explanation from CARS tech board why only FIA approved HANS devices will be recognized at Canadian Rally? How CARS tech board can explain inconsistence between HANS, Helmet and Suit requirements. And if CARS so stick to FIA regulations should we expect further change of requirements for crew safety equipments (only FIA approved nomex underwear and shoes allowed in a car on a stage e.t.c.) and for car equipment itself (FIA approved automatic fire extinguishing systems, only FIA certified roll cages e.t.c.). Right now it seems like CARS start doing all possible to push away US competitors and jack up price of rallying in Canada. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by jgardhouse on 01/24/8 at 16:07:41 The following is entirely what I believe to be correct or have been told by persons who are likely to be correct. Others could be mistaken! YMMV, don't trust me, etc! Alex Korovkine wrote on 01/24/8 at 14:47:49:
The tech board did not make the decision regarding HANS, whereas it did make decisions regarding suit requirements. (I do not know how the FIA only roll cage padding falls into this) Ultimately, the FIA dictates the parameters for the insurance provided to/by CARS. Alex Korovkine wrote on 01/24/8 at 14:47:49:
FIA Homologated cages are not required, and older homologated versions (which have not yet been logbooked) my not necessarily be legal. Cage requirements have changed a bit, previous regulations where based around the FIA requirements at the time (as I understand it) anyways. I have not heard anything about unannounced 2009 rules... Yet! Over the next, say, 4 years, I'd be surprised if FIA homo seats and belts did not become a requirement... But lets save the hearsay to later in the year! Jamie Not a fan of this FIA malarky |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by dtompsett on 01/24/8 at 16:40:24 I find the little things ridiculous... requiring FIA cage padding vs SFI cage padding. All that nice new padding I bought is now essentially garbage and has to be replaced. </rant> |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/24/8 at 18:26:02 One thing to note, any car logbooked after July of this year (I think) will actually require an FIA Homologated cage. Jamie is right, CARS had no choice to go with FIA approved Head and Neck restraints, that came down from ASN. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by jgardhouse on 01/24/8 at 22:35:44 RyanHuber wrote on 01/24/8 at 18:26:02:
Wrong, thankfully! Quote:
You try finding a homologated cage for a Scirocco, or rabbit, or fox ;) |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/24/8 at 23:13:15 OK, well, same deal, it's gotta be to FIA spec, which basically means you have to build it as if it was a homologated cage. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by jgardhouse on 01/24/8 at 23:56:44 http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/994546964__AppJ_Art_253.pdf If your bored. You'll recognize most of the graphics from the CARS rulebook :) Its not *that* bad. Having said that, I fear we'll hit the bubble wrapping stage sooner then later :( |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by Doug_Woods on 01/28/8 at 14:13:14 STRACK wrote on 01/23/8 at 20:29:25:
Jon: As per CARS NRR I, A, 6., you may mount hardware on a helmet for FIA approved HANS devices. Read the rule carefully. While I was on the CARS Rules Committe, this is one of the rules that I worked very hard to get in place (not the FIA part, but the mounting part). Doug Woods |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by Anthony_T on 01/28/8 at 19:06:05 " While I was on the CARS Rules Committe, this is one of the rules that I worked very hard to get in place (not the FIA part, but the mounting part). " Thank you for this Doug. The more of our older equipment we can adapt, the easier the transition will be. It's less wasteful - better for the environment- and easier on the pocketbook. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/29/8 at 22:40:26 Sport models are now at CSC, not sure if they have extras or just ones for people who ordered. I'm going to pick mine up on thursday, I'll let everyone know how it looks! |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 01/31/8 at 23:13:01 OK, picked it up tonight, figured I'd put up a few pics. Note, it doesn't have quite as much "bling" as the more expensive models as it isn't carbon fiber (it's actually plastic, recycle code 7 right on it...), and it is heavier, but I'm sure with the belts pulled down tight I won't even notice it.      |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by J.Strack on 02/01/8 at 14:37:14 hey ryan, it looks great! have you tried it out yet? I am interested in your opinion of the 20 Degree angle and how it feels. I believe the sport model only comes in M.20 and i have a very upright seating position so I dont know how it will feel. Let me know what you think and thanks for the pictures. Jon |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by J.Strack on 02/01/8 at 14:37:24 hey ryan, it looks great! have you tried it out yet? I am interested in your opinion of the 20 Degree angle and how it feels. I believe the sport model only comes in M.20 and i have a very upright seating position so I dont know how it will feel. Let me know what you think and thanks for the pictures. Jon |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by RyanHuber on 02/01/8 at 16:03:10 Hi Jon, I haven't had a chance to try it in a race seat yet, no. I've had it on with the tethers and everything, but it's really hard to tell how it will feel until I get in a race seat with belts. The seat I'll be in is a Sparco Circuit. From what I've read though the 20 degree is the norm for our kind of application. At the moment you're right though, it is only available in the 20 medium, at least until there are more molds and they start making different ones. |
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Title: Re: HANS devices and Canadian Rally Post by jgardhouse on 02/01/8 at 17:50:38 RyanHuber wrote on 02/01/8 at 16:03:10:
Though it has been recommended, or suggested that those with a big chest go with a 30 degree. But 90% of rally folk seem to be running the 20 degree. |
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